Re: Why wacom destroyed my life and how a 30 cent pen saved it

You've ignored a crucial fact about creators*, Frederik. Some creators are process creators. Some are not. I for one, am not. Some creators claim to hear a "rhythm of the brush on the canvas" or to have "zen-like" experiences while drawing or cleaning their brushes. I don't. For me, the rush comes at the finish line. That brief feeling of excitement at a job well done. It keeps me striving to create so I can enjoy that feeling over and over again.

But.

If I have two hours to paint, I can resign myself to spending 45 minutes of that cleaning brushes, *or* I can spend the whole two hours using my wacom. I also use pen & ink on paper, oils and watercolors. For me personally, it's a matter of time and my mood. I'm thankful for my tablet and digital paint programs because now I never have an excuse for getting out of drawing. Don't want to set up a drop cloth, or clean my brushes? I get my tablet out. Letting an oil painting dry? I get my tablet out. It's just another option among many, it's not an end-all, be-all. No medium should be. Now, if you are a process creator and the doing is as important as the finished result, then you should stay away from your tablet. If you're like me, and all that matters is the final product, you will always seek out more options. More mediums.

I once heard someone say that "computers just allow people to make bad art faster." There is truth here. For those who haven't learned the fundamentals of drawing and painting, a tablet gives them an easy in to creating art. All we can do is hope that *all* people who take up art, no matter *what* medium they choose, realize when they're ready for a bigger challenge, and that they go seek it.

There is a fantastic book that touches on topics like this and many other related to creating. It's called "Art and Fear".

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/096145 … oding=UTF8

-Hireling

* On using the term creator instead of artist. I try my hardest to refrain from using the term artist. "Artist" is a role, not a goal. If you're goal is to create, then you are sometimes a sculptor, sometimes a painter, etc. You are not an artist. Embrace creating art, not inventing a role for yourself.

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Re: Why wacom destroyed my life and how a 30 cent pen saved it

I spend a long time working on computers, but so far I have held back from using a graphics tablet.

I get all the personal benefits of drawing in the real world (being able to turn the page around, thr abiltiy to exploit accidental effects) and then I scan it inot the computer to colour it in super-neatly and finish it off with interesting filters and effects. I see this as being the best of both worlds.

My partner has just started using a graphics tablet, and she is putting the pressure on me to take it up, too.

After reading all these posts I might wait a while longer to see if she has an epiphany and smashes it up with a hammer first!

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This is a great discussion!

I do feel the need to defend my Mac as an artisitic medium.  I'm convinced that without it, I would not be a professional illustrator. 

I craved perfect, clean lines in my work, and I had no idea how to achieve them without a computer.  With illustrator, the colours are bright and ever-changeable, which i crave.

I always have a pen and paper with me when I travel, and I love to do pen and ink architectural sketches.  I still sketch a lot before I start an illustration on the computer as well.  I generally draw it 2-3 times on paper, using non-photo blue pencil.  Then, when i'm happy with it, I scan the sketch, and re-draw it completely using Illustrator, the pen tool, and my mouse.

Finally, I need the ability to compose on the computer.  If I didn't do this type of work, I might do paper cut-out illustrations so that I could have that same ability to re-compose!

My 2 ¢

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I draw and paint directly in painter using a Wacom Intuis 3 6x8 tablet . I use my Wacom tablet and my laptop in my weekly Life Drawing sessions just like I used to use a sketch book and pencil. This saves a lot of paper.

I highly recommend getting a l laptop and taking it with your Wacom tablet to a weekly life drawing session. This way you get to work on developing your drawing skills and get used to working on the Wacom tablet at the same time.

David

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Great thread! I'm an illustrator leading a double life--traditional illustration tools for children's books and personal work and digital design tools for corporate projects like logos and line-art. I thought I would enjoy having a wacom tablet when I bought it 4 years. But I tried it out and didn't like it one bit. It's collecting dust in my studio.

There's something very satisfying about creating art from paper, paint, pastel, pen and ink. It feels personal, deeper. Being active in both types of processes, I'd say that traditional media opens more doors to one's creativity. IMHO creating art that is strictly digital has boundaries (which are neither good nor bad) but they can be limiting to artists. I've had AD's tell me that what don't like it when a digitally created image looks, well, digital. I think I know what they mean. One can put only so much personality into lines created w/ bezier curves in Illustrator. Of course, that's what some people are after. It's a preference, stylistic thing.

To be fair, I have experimented a little and can say that some exciting, interesting new work can result from combining hand-rendered art and digital execution. But I haven't broken out my wacom tablet for those works either because I use my mouse for whatever touch up I need in Photoshop. My heart is with traditional art materials. :-)

Happy drawing!

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Im happy not the only one around here who's love/hate Wacom. Im sitting outside now in the sun. No way you can draw here with a wacom. I also indeed love smell of paint, smell of paper. How you describe it, fits me perfecly. I have a Wacom, and still haven't destroyed it. Should i? I dont know yet. Sometimes things going pretty well on my Wacom. But when i draw by hand i have get more energy. Paint is so much brighter than a plastic screen.

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you can argue about the feel, the experiance, of traditional painting versus digital for decades and still not come to a resolution. for instance, graffiti, i've been doing it for 14 years. some say that it's just vandalism without looking at what it from my perpestive. personally i love my tablet, and wouldn't touch any image on my computer without it.

and saying that. all my ideas start out as HORRIBLE looking sketches, that i refine, then refine again in photoshop with my tablet. it's not just for digital art either. i do use the tablet and photoshop to print out templates i use for stencils. the way i look at it is this; why make an oil painting thats photorealistic... if you can just take a picture? why take a picture if you have the memory? why paint instead of draw? why drink pepsi instead of water? because you can.

some people like drawing on news print, other's love drawing on copy paper. is either of them wrong? of course not. the important part is that they found something they are comfortable to create with. like myself, i start out on the computer, and end up on a canvas.

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My wacom and digital software are just other mediums I use to paint. I still draw with a pencil (I'm not happy with the digital effects emulating a pencil, so I don't use them). I still sketch with a pencil in an actual sketchbook. But that's just me. I wouldn't knock a person who prefers to sketch with a wacom pen - matter of fact, I think that takes a certain other kind of skill to do it all all well. I won't make a judgement call on whether a wacom is good or evil, it's just another medium/means to an end.

Lately I've been exploring the concepts of organic textures in Photoshop brushes using the pressure sensitivity of the wacom. You'd better believe I can't "just undo" the majority of what i'm doing. Though certain things are easier to correct, you create different issues with the digital medium that must be solved in the medium. I can do stuff in photoshop I can't do with just watercolor. If I'm not getting what I want digitally, I have been known to use paint.

I'd lay odds wacom didn't "destroy anyone's life". Though if all you do is throw pots, you're going to have to revisit you're frescoe techniques when you finally want to use them again.

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It doesn't surprise me that Frederik trashed his Wacom, his art is very raw and it's impossible to have that edgy feel when working solely digitally.  I haven't bought into the tablet thing yet but I'm strongly considering it.  I have a controlled style that reflects my personality, I use sharpies to draw and I don't mind the loss of line quality because I'm focusing on other things.  I love the computer for coloring images because I hate getting messy and owning paints that smell and all of that, that being said I do miss my edgier days of making charcoal life drawings and dipping sticks in ink, at least those mediums don't smell.  My style tends to reflect what medium I work in, I've tried most mediums and I tend to look for what is best in each one.  I remember doing my first watercolor still life and my high school art teacher saying I was a natural at the medium, but I never liked the washed out colors so I moved on to acrylics which I found too flat and plastic so I just stuck with pen and ink for the longest time because it was the easiest to control.  I never even considered oils, I knew they weren't for me, and I stayed away from computers because I hated the idea of staring at the screen all day. I just started with computer art a few months ago and I have to say it's lots of fun, but yeah, it tends to lead to sterile work but I've seen many examples of artists overcoming this by layering textures and intentionally leaving things imperfect.  Floating around the web I've seen so many artists I'm super jealous of and some are traditionalist and some totally digital, I tend to like the artists who find themselves and have a style that reflects their unique personality.  I've also seen loads of really bad digital art, people relying on the tricks and having no knowledge of composition or anatomy or anything, but what the hell, I've been making art since I could hold a pencil and I still have so much to learn and explore. 

So I'm exploring digital art for now, and my stuff won't be as good while I'm learning the new tricks and methods, I'm ok with that.  I see a place for the drawing tablets but I would hate for Fred to use one, it would ruin his style. 

Thank you Fred for being passionate about the issue, I totally agree it's the wrong tool for you, but I do like some of the perfect stuff too.

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I have always used inks and graphite.  I went to a magnet-arts-program in high school, and then to an art college.  I have always used traditional materials. 

I have always been good on the computer, but it was always to press upon my traditional materials, I would edit photos and then cut them out for a collage that would be made into an artists book...

I always had a "hand drawn" quality to my work; you could always feel a weight to my lines.  One day i began playing around with a tablet at the school. 

One year later my work is fascinatingly better (you can see the comparison here: http://mrdavidpoe.com/blog/?p=46 ).  I am now 100% digital.  No "cheating" by drawing on photos and calling it my own.  I stare at blank 'canvas', then I draw with 'blue pencil'.  I move that into flash and 'ink' it.  I then move it back over to Photoshop to color.  My work is not perfect, it has MANY flaws, I can still feel that weight to my work and a finality to the finished piece.  I have seen great success in the digital realm.

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I exculusively use wacom. Good things about wacom are you can experiment on color palette and so many redoes are  available. One of Drawbacks is whtehter the colores you mixed on your own really come out precisely on putput or not. Anyway, I adore wacom and people who do  watercolor. Watercloro wasn't for me. I get so nervous try  not to make mistakes.

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wacom destroyed the spontaneity of my illustrations. i like making mistakes, some times the mistakes end up making my illustration better. i still do mainly digital illustrations, but thats because it's so convenient.

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I draw with my hand as long as far as I can remember. I drew characters consisting of blobs and lines, I drew dinosaurs with hats
on, I drew whatever came to my mind. There where times in my life I wouldn`t have thought that I am going to make it my profession, but it was always with me, mostly during boring school classes.


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I wonder if this is how Monet felt when he started the watercolor revolution.

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I've used a tablet between 2000-2005 - back & forth fighting with it. I liked it then hated it. Until one day last December, I went to a friends studio and there stood a Cintiq. I tried it and wouldnt leave with out it.
That very next day I ordered the 20" model. This wacom you cannot hate. Pricey yes... but it's cut work time by so much. Sorry to rain on anyones parade.

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I'm always drawing away on paper, maps, envelopes, anything that come's to hand really- but when it comes to working it up into a final image I love the freedom to tinker that I get with digital art.

I think it's important to do the sketching and doodling by hand too, but I have no problem using computers for art- as many have said above, its just another tool.

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Ah yes the pervasive digital age. My solution is this. I strive to be the best artist I can be with traditional and Digital media. Often times in the area of concept art it is useful and indeed essential to be good in both. you never know what will inspire the next great monster or cool car. For me the art has more to do with my thinking, my thought process and very little to do with what is actually seen. Anyone can use a filter or the latest custom brush,  not everyone can have a great idea. As for sponaeity This is a good way to work digitally. Work on one layer and do not control Z  your actions either : erase them , work into them or paint over them. Basically limit yourself to 'reality' if you feel you are cheating too much.

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I don't think painting the Wacom/digital art as being evil is fair or even accurate.

The Wacom is simply another medium. The Wacom like pencils, oil paints, Dr Martin's Dye, is a medium that will be mastered by some and despised by others.

I enjoy drawing in pencil and inking with an old ink pen with nibs from the 1950's. I also enjoy the speed and free down I have canning that inked art into my mac and dropping color in and playing with options.

It's a tool, a medium.

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As someone who mainly looks at the work of illustrators,I have to say ive never seen a digital illo i liked as much as a trad. one.

There is just something cold and clinical looking abt it,I do think its the imagination of the artist that counts moreso than the tools,computers definately are a great creative tool but there is just something absent in digital illos I can't put my finger on.